Engine build

[TEACH JP]

Started my engine build recently and I figured I would post up about it.

Out with the old...
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb104/AdamTeachey/Jeep/PIMG0160.jpg

In with the new...
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb104/AdamTeachey/Jeep/PIMG0185.jpg

[MACK]

So shiny!:cheers:

[TEACH JP]

So shiny!:cheers:

Speaking of shiny, this may be a dumb question but, when people paint the engine block is it for looks or protection from rust and other weathering?

[soacj]

That depends on whether you paint it black or say, fuschia.:boink:

[TEACH JP]

I guess that answers my question. thanks

[TEACH JP]

I've taken just about everything off the block as I can. I am sorta stuck and was wondering if anyone WITH EXPERIENCE would like to help with the extraction of the engine block this weekend? And point me in the right direction.

Thanks, Adam

[MACK]

I hope you took lots of pictures and labeled everything that you disconnected.

(A factory service manual would help alot too.)

[TEACH JP]

Pictures yes Labeling yes but not as much as I should have. I mainly need help getting the block out and such.

[MACK]

Pictures yes Labeling yes but not as much as I should have. I mainly need help getting the block out and such.

Do you have a hoist of some sort?

[TEACH JP]

Ya, Mike Werner let me borrow his.

[WildTurkeycj8]

Adam - getting it out is not really very hard (getting it all back together is a little more difficult!). I can help you out for a couple of hours on Sat morning. Also maybe a little on Sunday morning.

Do you have a good set of hand tools there (sockets, extensions, and ratchets?)

Let me know when and where and I can also bring over the valve cover so you can check out how it fits, etc.

-Mike

[TEACH JP]

Awesome. Thanks Mike I have sockets and wrenches so far so good. I do not have extentions. So if you wanted to bring some over it wouldnt hurt. Your doing me a huge favor so anytime at your convience sat morning is good just let me know. Ill PM you my address and if you have any problems my number is 840-1927.

[STUK SUX]

If i ever get out of this god forsaken hotel and back to richmond, i may also be free to lend a hand for a while....haven't had a chance to wrech in some time.

Scott

[TEACH JP]

Thanks Scott, if you do get some time my number is 840-1927.

Adam

[TEACH JP]

Mike Werner and I pulled the engine out this morning. The next step will be putting the old components on the new engine block, painting, and then install of the new engine. Thanks again Mike I couldnt have done it with out you.

[STUK SUX]

I do Appologize..i didn't get in till 5 this morning or i'd of been there. let me know when the install is and i'll do my best to help.

[TEACH JP]

Not a problem. I'll let you know thanks.

[TEACH JP]

Mike, what was that part called we were talking about yeasterday? A Pilot bearing?

[TEACH JP]

Is there a trick to getting the timing chain cover off for a 258. I can't seem to get the wheel off infront of it even after taking the main bolt off and the three smaller ones around it? Also does the clutch assembly need to be put on before I put the oil pan back on or does this even matter?Any and all advice welcome.

Thanks

[littlejohn]

You'll most likely need a puller to get the harmonic balancer off (borrow one from Autozone).
Clutch has nothing to do with the oil pan, so it doesn't matter.

John

[TEACH JP]

Thanks

[WildTurkeycj8]

Mike, what was that part called we were talking about yeasterday? A Pilot bearing?

Adam - Enjoyed working with you. Also thanks to John and Daniel for the phone tech support!

Here is some general info on Pilot Bushings:

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/pilot_bushings.htm

And here is the link to the pilot bushing that Novak sells for an AMC I6engine to T5 transmission. You can also call them and ask them about any other specific questions you may have. They know their stuff about transmissions, transfer cases, etc.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/pilot_bushings/amc_to_t176.htm


Don't forget to ask around about whether or not you need to use some blue threadlock on your flywheel and clutch bolts.

-Mike

[littlejohn]

Glad I could help on the phone tech support.

As for the pilot bushing- everything is stock correct? If so, just go to a local parts store and get a Timken #PB79 for $2.99

- Can't hurt to use threadlock on clutch bolts.

[TEACH JP]

Thanks Mike and John I sincerly appreciate all the help. I've got the pilot bearing in from napa. Also I'd like to put an open invitation out to anyone experienced and willing to help with the pilot bearing and clutch/flywheel assembly. This seems alittle more meticulous than simply bolting a new water pump on, therefore I dont want to mess this up and I just want an experienced person directing me. thanks again

Adam

[littlejohn]

Pilot bearing and clutch is pretty simple when engine is out of the vehicle- I just did a clutch in my YJ over the weekend (while engine was in Jeep). Everything pretty much bolts together.

Are you installing a new clutch? It's one of those "while you're in there" things. New clutches come with an alignment tool (plastic input shaft) to ease setup. I still have mine if you're gonna reuse your old clutch.

PM me when you're planning on working on it, my schedule is crazy, but I'm sure we could figure out a time that would work.

John

[TEACH JP]

Thanks John, I work in the mornings and pretty much have afternoons and evenings free so at your convience just let me know when you would be able to come by and assist. Although sunday morning would be good for me. Thanks again. just PM me or give me a call when you think you have time. 840-1927.

Adam

[TEACH JP]

Hey just wanted to throw it out there again. I really need someone experienced to help me put the clutch flywheel assembly on and put the new engine in. I know beggers cant be choosers but I am headed off to school on the 21 and at least want to get the engine block into the jeep. Ill throw a case of beer in for anyone who helps. Thanks alot.

Adam

[STUK SUX]

When can you work on it? i have really odd hours at work.

[littlejohn]

I should be able to lend a hand Sunday AM.
Shoot me a time and addy.

John

[TEACH JP]

Sunday morning would be great. Prolly 8 am I'll PM you my address and number. Thanks alot. Scott if you are able to just give me a call and I will give you directions then. Thanks again John I guess ill see you sunday morning.

Adam

[WildTurkeycj8]

I have company this weekend so will not be able to make it. I know you'll have fun without me!

[TEACH JP]

John, How much time are you willing to spare? Are you just helping me with the clutch assembly or are you also helping me get the block into the jeep? I am just trying to anticipate what I need for tomarrow. Thanks again.

[littlejohn]

Clutch assembly is maybe 10mins. If you've got everything necessary, we might as well drop it in.

I just got home from a long day at work, am now going out for dinner, might not be over until 8:30-9am

John

[TEACH JP]

Thanks see you then and I will plan on dropping the block in.

[TEACH JP]

John, thank you so much I really appreciate all the help! See you this fall at crozet

adam

[TEACH JP]

The harmonic balance puller I borrowed from advanced auto doesnt work. the claws are to big to get a bite on the wheel spokes. Any other ideas?

[littlejohn]

A harmonic balancer puller should not have "jaws"
It sounds like you borrowed a gear puller.

A harmonic balancer puller will have bolts that thread into the balancer itself. It then has a cross brace and another bolt that pushes agains the crankshaft.

Go to Autozone and borrow the right tool.

Here's a link
http://www.autozone.com/R,708110/store,1676/shopping/accessoryProductDetail.htm

[mjeff87]

HB puller:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/mjeff87/timing/10HB_puller.jpg

in action:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/mjeff87/timing/11remove_HB.jpg

[TEACH JP]

Thanks guys the kit came with that as well but the guy at Advanced told me to use what I guys is a gear puller. Anyways it took 20 seconds once I put the right tool on. Thanks.

[TEACH JP]

This is a dumb question but its better to be safe than sorry. Does the oil cycle through with the timing chain? The reason I ask is because I have a hairline crack in the cover and I need to know if I should order a new one or if it would be a posibility to tack weld it?

[TEACH JP]

I dunno what this part is but the threaded end broke off in my old engine block when I was taking it off. Therefore any info on it would be great or if you have an old one lying around you want to get rid of.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb104/AdamTeachey/PIMG0011.jpg

Next this is he current state of the build....
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb104/AdamTeachey/PIMG0012.jpg

[littlejohn]

What broke off is a distribution block for the sending units for the oil pressure guage and idiot light. It will have an NPT thread, and you will be able to get a replacement at either Lowes or Northern Tool.

[TEACH JP]

Thanks what does NPT stand for? Will that thread out of the square housing? Any advice for my previous post with the timeing chain cover.

[littlejohn]

NPT= National Pipe Thread (not the same as normal bolt threads)
The block should be a solid piece, the sending units thread into it.
You should be able to find a similar piece, or one that will work, in the air fittings isle at Northern or Lowes.
Worst case scenario, just bolt one of the sending units into the block, and forget the other.
As for the timing cover, not a whole lot of pressure, and welding might work, might not too. Better of finding a replacement.

[TEACH JP]

Would quadratech be my best bet for getting a new Timing chain cover? Also no luck with Lowes or Northern. I guess Ill just thread one of them on. Which one is more important?

[Big Ron]

brass npt fittings are in the plumbing isle at lowes. They are on display with the for sale peices in the drawers.....a few isles over from the bolts...can't miss it.

[TEACH JP]

I went back I think I saw what you were talking about but nothing that was small enough for my use. I guess I am going in kinda blind on this, Im sure it was there and I just didnt know. Anyways Ill figure somthing out

[TEACH JP]

Do I need any kind of tool or the same puller to put the harmonic balancer back on or will it simply tighten itself to the amount of pressure?

[TEACH JP]

After being at school for several weeks I have realized I can not just swing back home and work on the engine. I have decided to hire someone, or a shop to finish puting my engine back together. The engine block is bolted in palce thanks to the help of little John. Therefore all that I need is the parts put back on the engine. If you know someone with considerable experience with jeep engines who needs some extra money let me know. Also if you know a good local shop that would be affordable. Let me know. I simply do not have the time to finish this build myself.

Thanks alot
Adam

[TEACH JP]

Also since I am at school and can not drive it anyway there is no rush to get it done once work is started if it even takes a month of just working on it in spare time thats no problem. I just dont have the time and I would like to get work rolling on it. Any ideas!!!!

[TEACH JP]

zero suggestions?

[allyourbasearebelongtous]

Contact Roger Nixon.
He should be able to help you out.

novajeep at comcast dot net

[TEACH JP]

Thanks for the reply. Is he a mechanic, or just good with jeeps?

[tjbliley]

BOTH

[TEACH JP]

Cool Thanks

[TEACH JP]

I sent him a detailed e-mail and no response.........

[tjbliley]

He is not on a whole lot. It may take a few days. He also may be out of town if I remember correctly.

[TEACH JP]

Alright thanks for letting me know.

[TEACH JP]

Alright so I e-mailed him a second time and still no response so I am guessing he is not interested. Any other suggestions???

[tjbliley]

I will try and get ahold of him. He said something recently about being out of town so I will see if I can find out. Don't count him out yet, it may be that the email you are using is just not working.

[TEACH JP]

Hey that would be great thanks alot for all your help on this. Can you let me know either way once you talk to him so I can move on with my search if he doesnt want the job? Thanks alot.

Adam

[grand zj]

he did some work for me on my axles, I pmed you his number

[TEACH JP]

Thanks

[TEACH JP]

I appreciate the contact. He said he could finish the engine for me and start on it next week. SoI am planning on shoe creek or GWNF within the next month.

[TEACH JP]

Just wanted to let everyone know the engine build is complete and I am back on the road. Thanks again To Mike and John for your help this summer.

[WildTurkeycj8]

Glad you got it done! How is the new engine? Notice any difference (other than less oil on the driveway)?

[TEACH JP]

Ya actually it seems alot stronger. Its got a nice pull and no longer seems like a strain going up hills. O ya and its clean! No oil or mud caked on the block.

[jbailey]

where did yo get the motor?

[TEACH JP]

S&S Engines